Community: Message List - COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:24:19 GMT

I bought the hardened edition also. Reason, because I always buy all the DLC. I'm just upset that they aren't giving us another free month on our subscriptions, because almost all the features promised we still dont have.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:16:11 GMT

agreed 100%

Elite (basic) is free. The DLC is cheaper when you buy the premium, and even cheaper if you bought the hardened edition.

My take was this: I always buy the DLC, so buying the Hardened edition was a no brainer.

But about the game and COD series?

I thought to myself, if MW3 is good, I was never going to buy another COD game for a long time and stick with Black Ops amd MW3 (switch between the two).

If MW3 was crap, I would rent BO2 and see if I like it. If no, see above.

What I will likely do: Rent BO2 either way, and see above. I only really keep moving forward with the games as I like to play with my close gaming friends... but shelling out the cash is getting old (not that I cannot afford it, it is a thing of principal for me). If I do not move to BO2, I will obviously now renew my elite premium membership.

But I say that now...

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:55:49 GMT

I personally don't give a crap about Elite, I did the maths and bought hardened as it worked out cheaper than getting the map packs seperately and you got Elite for free.

It is a new feature so like when you buy a car and it gets a recall be patient, even the best technicians in the world can't get everything perfect, so lets see how they get on and see if they can fix it before we shout how crap it is, although I've looked at it and unless you clan play can't really see anything other than what the leaderboards tell you, I haven't looked at it that hard before someone flames !!!

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:46:55 GMT

The only thing I really complain about right now is ELITE, I paid for it and have been seriously taken advantage of. It sounded like a great thing before we had it but it only takes one bad experience to make me not want to reup my subscription next year.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:45:19 GMT

Supermanman wrote:

I am aware that 1 billion in revenue isn't equal to 1 billion profit, but 1 billion is just what they made off of the game in the first 16 days. Accounting for the other 200 million+ they've generated from elite (which still doesn't work I might add) I feel comfortable assuming that activision has made a billion dollars off of this title.

I didn't follow all the updates and hotfix's from the previous titles, so I am not sure how they are doing now, by comparison. But I have seen a lot of post about how much more they are doing then they had on mw2 ect. For the money they have made, I do believe that more customer service isn't too much to ask for.

I rarely complain about the actual game. Lag has never been an issue for me. Things that do bother me tho: Elite doesn't work (I didn't pay for it, but I feel for those who have as it seems they are getting ripped off)

Theater on ps3 is trashed. Completely unusable. When it was working the render quality left much to be desired. It is not at all what was advertised.

I feel that activision has not provided the service they advertised at all. It's just wrong on so many levels. Companies do this all the time now, and customer service is dead in general. TBQH I do think that big corporations should be held accountable for things like this. It is unethical and should be illegal.

Other than the revenue vs profit and what is "enough" profit, you've got a reasonable post here. I agree that things should be working. I understand that things may not go perfect at release and I understand that it might take up to 90 days to get things in reasonable order.

My big thing is the cheats and hacks. But whether it is Elite not working properly or theater not working properly or there being too many cheaters, all the people using this software have REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS that things should be working properly.

There ARE things that can be done ... but not yet. You have to give them plenty of room to fix the these things. Reasonable to you and me is different than reasonable in the world of "things that can be done." To be fair beyond all doubt ... we have to be patient a little longer.

I'm thinking by the end of February they'll have everything worked out to the degree that what issues remain will be on an individual basis, not issues that affect the entire game. When it gets to that part, they've delivered what can be reasonably be expected.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:36:30 GMT

kastro187420 wrote:

I don't think it's so much "I never lagged", but anyone who still has Call of Duty 4 and World at War, play the game for about a half an hour, then play MW3 or Black Ops and tell me there isn't a noticeable differencei n the connections. While you still lag, the connections in CoD4/WaW (when not connected to a foriegn host) are far superior to MW3 and Black Ops.

I recently played World at War just a few days ago, and it was amazing at how great the hit detection and overall connections were. I didn't encounter any situation where a death could genuinely be blamed on Lag/Hit Detection, despite plenty of deaths.

You can't say the same about MW3 and Black Ops.

You're comparing apples and oranges to see which one is more yellow.

Not only that, I also played BOTH MW1 and WaW within the last four days. The best connection I could get with MW1 was 2 bars. Which is about what my average connection was during that games' prime.

I've got nearly a year's worth of in-game time put into MW1. Don't tell me the connection "was" better with COD4 than it is with Black Ops or MW3. It wasn't even close. WaW used the same system that was in MW1.

MW2 had one big change - they modified it so that if the player hosting the match lagged for more than a certain amount of time, host migration set in. This was done to combat people that were using lag switches.

Now I don't know for certain what they've done with MW3, but Black Ops had the exact same system that MW2 had. From what I can tell, the only big difference they've done with MW3 is that they've forced localization. Hence, no option for global or local match-making.

So knowing all that, how the hell are you going to say one is better than the other?? It's the same damn code, for pete's sake!

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:16:09 GMT

triiviium- wrote:

I understand many of you are frustrated with MW3 just like you were with Black Ops. Every CoD that comes out we cry about this gun being overpowered we cry about lag we cry about whatever. I understand arguing and discussing things is how games evolve, change, and get better.
This thread is like many others that asks why do you constantly stay with the COD series if the last 4 or 5 titles weren't to your likings? Sure when I play and your in my lobby with me you will hear me scream on how I died and how bullsh@# it was, we all do it and I think I know why
we don't like dying!!!! I constantly see many of you on here every day posting on peoples threads saying things like "this is a pile of shlt game" "F#CK IW THEY NEVER LISTEN" "kids on Christmas will be taking it back once they see how horrible it is" the list goes on.
So I ask you seasoned veterans why if many of you bltched on the last 3 or 4 titles on how this is the worst COD ever, do you still get on the forums almost everyday. Why do you keep buying COD titles thinking "well maybe this time will be different" why do you even waste your time?
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I have really good Internet so why to many of you do you say if you have good Internet you lag if you have crap Internet you'll dominate? Sure I lag here and there but more than 90% of my matches run great. I have had the same amount of lag in the last 4 titles so what is yalls issue?
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Rage me, flame me, hate me, wont hurt my felling's. I'm just annoyed.

I'm with you on this. we all get pissed if we die in a BS way. the way i see it is if it's a legit complaint (host migration, really bad lag, and respawn problems) then it's just us gamers wanting those problems fixed. If players are crying over other players play styles ( this style is better then that style) and want ppl punshed for it then those ppl need to grow up. We all have our good matches/bad matches, we all play to win, and we all play to have fun.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:58:52 GMT

I feel the same way. They'll never get another penny from me again, but I still wish they were held accountable for selling me this crap that was supposed to have much more.

The clan feature itself was false advertising because when I purchased it, everything I read indicated that the game would have real clans with a leveling up feature. Not some internet clan list that does nothing.

I don't care if they are fixing anything. I paid for it to work on day 1, and I was ripped off.

There are so many other things that were a rip off. I'll never buy from Activision again.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:39:13 GMT

I am aware that 1 billion in revenue isn't equal to 1 billion profit, but 1 billion is just what they made off of the game in the first 16 days. Accounting for the other 200 million+ they've generated from elite (which still doesn't work I might add) I feel comfortable assuming that activision has made a billion dollars off of this title.

I didn't follow all the updates and hotfix's from the previous titles, so I am not sure how they are doing now, by comparison. But I have seen a lot of post about how much more they are doing then they had on mw2 ect. For the money they have made, I do believe that more customer service isn't too much to ask for.

I rarely complain about the actual game. Lag has never been an issue for me. Things that do bother me tho: Elite doesn't work (I didn't pay for it, but I feel for those who have as it seems they are getting ripped off)

Theater on ps3 is trashed. Completely unusable. When it was working the render quality left much to be desired. It is not at all what was advertised.

I feel that activision has not provided the service they advertised at all. It's just wrong on so many levels. Companies do this all the time now, and customer service is dead in general. TBQH I do think that big corporations should be held accountable for things like this. It is unethical and should be illegal.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:14:31 GMT

Didn't play Big Red One & COD3 as it never came to PC.

The only COD I didn't get a chance to play on PC was the expansion to COD1 was United Offensive.

COD4 was Activision's baby...the COD that the gaming community opened up to. Despite some of it's flaws, it was still considered one of the greatest COD titles.

I wish COD1/COD2 recjeved the same recognition as well. Even though it was limited to what you do, it provided the greatest campaigns & the best multiplayer maps including Carentan, Brecourt, Pavlov, Toujane & St. Mere Eglise.

These two missions bring me fond memories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WEFIeqnkU0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuuGEihglf8

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:57:33 GMT

kastro187420 wrote:

I don't think it's so much "I never lagged", but anyone who still has Call of Duty 4 and World at War, play the game for about a half an hour, then play MW3 or Black Ops and tell me there isn't a noticeable differencei n the connections. While you still lag, the connections in CoD4/WaW (when not connected to a foriegn host) are far superior to MW3 and Black Ops.

I recently played World at War just a few days ago, and it was amazing at how great the hit detection and overall connections were. I didn't encounter any situation where a death could genuinely be blamed on Lag/Hit Detection, despite plenty of deaths.

You can't say the same about MW3 and Black Ops.

Oh hell no. These two games have taken on something far worse than the original connection issues that were brought about by influx of players coming online, ISPs just stepping up and expanding with minimal speeds. Now you have so many varying speeds that I do not think these servers that are being used can actually deal with the connections. I say that because if you think about your connection being A and they say you only need F, Well Hell Kell, where is the letters in between gone to? Is it just bottle necked, has it vanished, is someone else getting to use it?

Its true that those games have a different feel to them. I suppose it is the servers on them are fairly less rundown, due to there not being as many people having been on them for countless hrs as the numbers in players jumped enormously from MW2 on up.

Yet MW2 by far had the most....I guess real time feeling to me. By no means can I say the older brother and the cousin were as bad as what is going on now.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:49:01 GMT

@Vims: FH, BIg Red One. As my start to this drug. Yet CoD4 just opened me up like ta surgeon and hooked the dope up straight to my heart.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:47:38 GMT

I don't think it's so much "I never lagged", but anyone who still has Call of Duty 4 and World at War, play the game for about a half an hour, then play MW3 or Black Ops and tell me there isn't a noticeable differencei n the connections. While you still lag, the connections in CoD4/WaW (when not connected to a foriegn host) are far superior to MW3 and Black Ops.

I recently played World at War just a few days ago, and it was amazing at how great the hit detection and overall connections were. I didn't encounter any situation where a death could genuinely be blamed on Lag/Hit Detection, despite plenty of deaths.

You can't say the same about MW3 and Black Ops.

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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:43:52 GMT

Last night I was in a game and at the end the guy with the best score had a 1 red bar. Lag compensation is still broken when you see stuff like that.

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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:43:51 GMT

Which Trophy, and you're on PS3 right? I need to finish about 3 more DLC Co-Op Chambers, and then I need to finish the "Friend's List with Benefits", and finally "Still Alive" (finish the 4th course without dying).

My PSN is "Kastro187420" if you're interested, I just hope you have a Mic, makes it much easier.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:40:04 GMT

We all hate dying in a FPS shooter, no one can deny it....I hate dying

We all wish we could run around the map without any consequences

I tend to blame my deaths on lag alot. Anytime I pump half a clip & suddenly die in a couple of bullets, I know something's not right. Most of the time, I say "He probably had a crap connection," "Lag compensation really fuc*ed me over this time" or "If only I wasn't host, I would have killed him" etc.

Don't get me wrong, there are times where I'm unaware of my surroundings or I look at my radar too much therefore I can accept those deaths.

One thing I'm trying to accept is that when I die (whether we think it's legitimate or we see b.s.), I can respawn. In S&D, sure that's difficult considering you have one life per round but I'm no S&D player anyone.

I've given up on weapon balance discussions. I'll discuss it BUT I don't think they'll be any action. I've come to the realisation that if it's in the game, it's in the game. I'll use it & possibly piss alot of people off in the process. But considering they're using it against me, I'll use it back whether it's using a Type 95 with rapid fire or akimbo FMG 9's.

I'll be more than happen to see the akimbo feature being taken off machine pistols BUT it'll never happen judging from past history with COD weapon tweaks.

As a COD Veteran since COD1 on PC, I've seen the game turn to crap. There's always that annoying perk or weapon that caters to the younger generation of COD players.

No one remembers what COD1 or even COD2 was like as it was basic, it was about your weapon & it did require precision & skill.

Everyone will say....COD4 will always be my favourite COD.

Not me, I still believe both COD1 & COD2 will always be my favourite COD.

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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:36:34 GMT

@nuttin2say: That is one of the biggest lies told on the Forums. "I never lagged on CoD4 or W@W". Now I know when some are talking of the degree of the lag between connections with someone else {as far as being a bit slower than them} and the GAME lagging. Just generaly people that have been around a while and arent going full blown OMGWTFLOL grzzzzz the LAGGGGG..

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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:22:33 GMT

@ esmorgue

LMAO thinking about how many threads I've seen regarding lag.

"Why can't they do it like COD4? That game had no lag."

Yeah, right. Not only was COD4 and WaW laden with lag, people have no clue that it was those two games that gave us the host migration system that began with MW2 (which, btw, in all appearances looks to not have changed much until MW3 ... but that's just my opinion).

Back in COD4 and WaW the biggest complaint was that there were people using lag switches and modded controllers.

These kids that cry about modded controllers these days have no clue what it was like to go up against a real modded controller. And lag? Ha! How about watching the guy youre trying to kill simply freeze on your screen, you empty all your ammo in him ... and then suddenly the screen starts moving again and not only are you dead, you discover your whole team - which was spread out across an entire map - has also been killed by that guy that was frozen on your screen.

A couple weeks ago I saw someone else also reference what I refer to as the "Three Days O'Tube" - infinite, full auto grenade launchers and AC130s screaching so loud your ears would burst. That was from MW2 - as you describe, the beginning of the demise of MW2 (which is probably what lead to the big shake-up at IW).

You're absolutely right - there's tons of people that haven't seen the worst COD has to offer. Yet, so many of us have hung in there and gave Activision another shot.

Seems to work out. MW3 is by far not the worst moment in COD history. Black Ops, too. I really did not get wtf people were complaining about with BO. To me, BO was an "updated" version of COD4. Activision really reigned in on cheats with BO. I see some questionable things on the leaderboards ... but the crack-down on cheats in BO did not come until after the new year. In fact, if I recall correctly the biggest crack-down came in March following the release. They have to focus on bugs for now.

I'll close on this note. For the first time in COD history, I actually know WTF people are talking about with the lag issue surrounding lag compensation. IW has done an awesome job of eliminating general lag so that now I can actually see when lag compensation is affecting my game.

And to be frank, I've had to overcome much larger lag issues than this joke. This is nothing to overcome.

I love the fact that now 80% to 90% of my matches I'm running 4 bars. 4 bars means I don't have to adjust for lag. 3 bars, though, that's when I see the lag.

And after this latest patch I've not seen a single 2 bar or less connection in any lobby.

Re: COD FORUM VETERANS!!!!!

donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:08:14 GMT

madfish6 wrote:

Have you seen the credits to the game and how much hard work actually goes into it, yes the games made a profit but those Devs didn't get a yacht off Activision just their salary, even the founders of the franchise are suing for theie bonus from MW2.

Good luck explaining that to people. They think $ 1 Billion in revenue = $ 1 Billion in profit.

BTW ... I DID watch the credits at the end of MW3 ... amazing the number of people involved - and that did not include a list of people at some of the third party companies involved!

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donotreply@activision.com — Tue, 20 Dec 2011 11:05:30 GMT

@ madfish6

Too true ... but # 5 is under-emphasized. The reality is the game hasn't changed very much since MW1. Naturally people are going to start getting bored with it at some point.