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Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 17 May 2012 15:15:40 GMT

iFCW wrote:

im i the only noncookiepuss here...

never used any Death streaks besides Juiced because you have one enabled

Nope ........... you're still a cookiepuss.

Anyone can say they only use juiced because its default but really use it because they like to run across the map and stab someone through a hail of bullets like the mlc guys in mw2.

About the only way you can NOT be a cookiepuss is to use juiced and hold still from the time you spawn until the juiced timer runs out, use revenge and ignore the guy who just killed you, or use final stand and not fire your weapon. ............. The last one is questionable since you may survive.

My suggestion is to just use whatever death streak you like. Everyone is going to call you out for it regardless. Have some nads and just use what you want or is helpful for your team.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 17 May 2012 15:01:16 GMT

Honestly, i don't use any deathstreak that robs someone a kill that is rightfully there's. So often i'll drop someone in final stand.DMH and the kill gets stolen or i end up dying on a good streak. Best example lately i was on a 21 streak with one of the default classes going for that moab, a guy spawned, i killed him and he dropped in DMH, killed me from 15+ feet away, buzzkill to say the least.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 17 May 2012 14:44:29 GMT

im i the only noncookiepuss here...

never used any Death streaks besides Juiced because you have one enabled

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 17 May 2012 14:33:51 GMT

i'm all about martyrdom, i'd like it to be always on lol but hey, when i get dropped enough to need it, it can give me a nice comeback which kciks my back into gear most matches i don't get it to be fair but when i do, a bit a vengenace is always satisfying especially the occasional double kill, or objective defence etc

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Thu, 17 May 2012 04:35:37 GMT

PeteyLew wrote:

I understand, but the anology holds a little, doesn't it?

In both cases you are "near death".

In one, you can function normally and recover to full health.

In the others, you either (a) blow up (DMH/Martydom) and die or (b) struggle on the ground to recover and then come back to full health.

Just seeing where you draw the line on cheap "second chances".

Because both are exaclty that... a second chance.

Ok, I think you're analysing my "second chance" post a bit too far.

When I meant I don't believe in "second chances", I mean the crutches players need to get back on their feet without analysing their last death/s in the killcam.

Whenever I'm having a bad run & I'm constantly "juiced", I ask myself:

1) What am I doing wrong?

2) Why do I keep going back for the payback kill?

3) What alternatives do I have to attack the enemy, should I flank?

4) Am I using the wrong class?

To me, Final Stand or Dead Man's Hand is just a way for a player to gain a cheap kill off another bad decision.

Deathstreaks in general don't help a player make the right decisions.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 18:32:13 GMT

Trust me, Dead Man's Hand is worse, which is why i'm glad that they are going to rebalance it.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 18:30:18 GMT

Yup! I had a team that kept going after a jug on Foundation and we lost like 65 to low 20's lol. I was the ONLY person not going after the jug and killing the other guys. I wanted to just dashboard so bad but I didn't and just took the loss lol.

Teams/people/games like that are the only time I even consider dumping out. I like to have fun while I play and when you have a team of complete idiots like that, it's hard to have much fun and get anything accomplished.

I don't get many deathstreaks either these days but I love DMH lol, I get killed from that even when I'm 200ft away, so I don't mind doing it to others

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 15:09:16 GMT

I understand, but the anology holds a little, doesn't it?

In both cases you are "near death".

In one, you can function normally and recover to full health.

In the others, you either (a) blow up (DMH/Martydom) and die or (b) struggle on the ground to recover and then come back to full health.

Just seeing where you draw the line on cheap "second chances".

Because both are exaclty that... a second chance.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 09:55:52 GMT

If a player is dying enough to get final stand/dead mans hand, chances are, they aren't getting a moab anyway. I personally don't change my deathstreak from the default juiced because I get my deathstreak MAYBE once in 20 games. I rarely even get juiced, so getting any higher ones would be even more rare.

Wait, I believe I used martyrdom until I got a kill with it when the game first released so I could get the emblem/title. But yea, that is about it.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 09:49:27 GMT

Personally I think ALL deathstreaks should be removed PERMANENTLY!!

That being said we have NO choice about having NO deathstreaks attached and so have to pick one!

Juiced:- If I have this attached it usually leads me to die quicker - I find it makes things more difficult to control and climbing over objects/through windows etc can be very awkward leading to increased deaths and having to put up with it for longer!

Revenge:- Pretty pointless on the whole as I don't go chasing players - can also leave you being focused on the Map and specifically the one player and therefore miss others leading to increased deaths and the continued use of this deathstreak

Final Stand:- Quite possibly the MOST overused and annoying of all - It would be so much better IF you didn't get the moment of Invincibility as you go into Final Stand. It is also the most encouraged as it offers XP, Titles and Emblems (some hidden) for using it (C4 last stand Kill)

Martyrdom:- Not quite so common but is more so in Kill Confirmed and also offers a quickway to get payback with frag achievements as well as a title/emblem

Dead Man's Hand:- Far too overpowered and is more controllable than Martyrdom. However it also likely to cause the most RAGE in the opposition (I refuse to use this on principal)

Hollow Points:- Another of the pointless Deathstreaks. Extra damage for 1 kill

If they have to remain in the game, I also think that they have the time awarded wrong

4 Deaths - Revenge and Juiced

5 Deaths - Hollow Points and Martyrdom

6 Deaths - Last Stand and Dead Mans Hand

This would at least be a bit more balanced!!!

I think it is primarily down to the fact that you get a lot of awards and the opportunity of surviving without dying are the main reason why 'Last Stand' is the most used (you do get to stand up if you survive it - another award!)

But like I said, I (and the majority of the CoD community) would prefer to see NO deathstreaks at all!!

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 09:30:15 GMT

juiced or revenge for me.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 09:12:32 GMT

Anything is possible, but I've never actually seen anyone in game using Final Stand or DMH even go on to finish positive. That would be some luck to actually go from there to a MOAB... wouldn't mind that kind of luck once in a while, usually the only luck I get is not pulling host (damn you beastly internet connection)

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:47:31 GMT

I usually use Juiced or Hollow Points...dont really know why I use hollow points as I play HC and it doesn't really make a difference though lol. last prestige I decided to try Dead Man's Hand, that sh*t was hillarious, can't believe some of the kills I got with that thing. But I really hate having to die to get a kill, that's just dumb, so I stopped using it lol

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:45:36 GMT

Exactly...

Final Stand has more chance of knocking a legit player off of their kill streak then helping a user get a MOAB...

I've been knocked off a half decent (for me) streak by Final Stand users a bunch of times...

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:43:29 GMT

ah but you see, this is mw3 anything is possible, you can be having the worst time imaginable then ting you get given the golden ticket an bingo youve jus been chosen for your 5 min of invincibility

everything depends on connection in this game

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:41:55 GMT

I use martyrdom always makes me giggle that someones daft enough to stand where they killed me! ok Kill confirmed they're probably after my tags. Did learn a valuable lesson on the HC kill comfirmed clan op though, don't usually play HC.....richocheted my entire team ........ don't use that anymore.....

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:35:08 GMT

I use juiced only. I'd turn them off completely if I could. Sure we all go on a bit of a bad streak occasionally, but I don't need any help to turn my game around. I suppose what bugs me about Final Stand more than the other death streaks is the amount of times your team-mates will steal the kill from you. That said, they're in the game, so gotta accept that and be prepared to be blop shotted or nuked every so often.

I can't imagine anyone going on a death-streak like that to the point where they get final stand and then going on a MOAB streak immediately after, so I don't think it's really so beneficial for that purpose lol.

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:33:08 GMT

Final Stand is the ultimate TROLL, anyone that is using it is either on the wind up, or just bad at the game...

OP, you cannot say that you are a decent player AND use FS. It's a contradiction in terms...

It's like saying, "I am a great swimmer when I'm wearing inflatable arm bands"...

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:29:45 GMT

im going to use my next token on dmh, its great. i play gw only an on smaller maps its getting annoying being spammed with shotguns an akimbo mps. if your gonna use bs im gonna blow you up. bigger maps i run final stand, gives me a chance to kill an maybe get back up, my aim is to kill more than i die

personally id rather there were no deathstreaks but that goes for quickscoping akimbo mps an shotgun spamage as well

Re: Why does anyone use other deathstreaks except final stand

donotreply@activision.com — Wed, 16 May 2012 08:20:04 GMT

Your point may be true, but the fact is that Final stand ruins a lot more moabs than it helps getting them as bad players get it 4 times per game at least in dom..

I once had a game with 13 assists one off a moab. Final stand is BS. All deathstreaks should be removed imo, except for a spawn deathstreak to counter spawn killing