asasa wrote:

 

avfc94 wrote:

 

no, the famas overpoweredness is an exaggeration, sure its slightly more powerful than the other guns but if it wasnt, whats the point in having like 10 assault rifles if they all act exactly the same albeit that actually, to be honest, they do pretty much all act the same. The enfield, galil, ak47, commando, aug, ak74u, and famas...whats the difference?....not much, although people will make you believe the famas is more effective than an upgraded ray gun.

im not saying the famas is crap, it is the best gun, but not as overpowered as everyone thinks, most people will die alot of times to it because it is a popular gun, then just jump on the band-wagon shouting "its unfair its unfair"

the mp40 is totally different, an smg that kills in 2 shots at all ranges, can OHK with stopping power, 2/3 shot kill without stopping power, meaning it can be combined with juggernaut, plus with a huge magazine size so you can spray at 5 people and kill them without reloading, and it had a much longer continuous fire time than the light machine guns, whose function would be to give support fire.- note there were no assault rifles to counter this gun.

the mp40 is overpowered the famas is just better than other guns - theres a difference

Ummm... thats not true at all about the MP40

It 2HKs for a short range, then switches to 4HK. It does not 1HK w/ SP.


They dont have to be the same. Look at MW2. All felt different, yet were balanced well enough.

avfc94 wrote:

 

asasa wrote:

 

avfc94 wrote:

 

no, the famas overpoweredness is an exaggeration, sure its slightly more powerful than the other guns but if it wasnt, whats the point in having like 10 assault rifles if they all act exactly the same albeit that actually, to be honest, they do pretty much all act the same. The enfield, galil, ak47, commando, aug, ak74u, and famas...whats the difference?....not much, although people will make you believe the famas is more effective than an upgraded ray gun. There's hardly any difference. That's the problem.

im not saying the famas is crap, it is the best gun, but not as overpowered as everyone thinks, most people will die alot of times to it because it is a popular gun, then just jump on the band-wagon shouting "its unfair its unfair" It's overpowered. That's all there is to it.

the mp40 is totally different, an smg that kills in 2 shots at all ranges, can OHK with stopping power, 2/3 shot kill without stopping power, meaning it can be combined with juggernaut, plus with a huge magazine size so you can spray at 5 people and kill them without reloading, and it had a much longer continuous fire time than the light machine guns, whose function would be to give support fire.- note there were no assault rifles to counter this gun. Everything I highlighted is wrong.

the mp40 is overpowered the famas is just better than other guns - theres a difference A lot better. AKA, overpowered.

Ummm... thats not true at all about the MP40

It 2HKs for a short range, then switches to 4HK. It does not 1HK w/ SP.


They dont have to be the same. Look at MW2. All felt different, yet were balanced well enough.

OHK with stopping power to the head...which still counts, and oh sorry, 4HK in the leg from across the map well my information is wrong the mp40 is crap and is infact underpowered... Never said that. It's 4HK ANYWHERE besides the head. The OHK to the head is only at close range.

and no, not really, the ACR was a slightly better M4 carbine (because they forgot to put recoil on it) They didn't forget. They gave it no recoil to balance it. If it had recoil, it'd be useless., the ak47 was the same as the carbine What carbine? and the famas was a slightly better m16, because its bursts were slightly faster.Nope. M16 had a quicker raise and drop time, and a quicker reload. Famas had longer range. the ump was different but was mainly used with marathon lightwieght and commando for stabbing (not balanced) It was annoying, but how was it unbalanced? They had to knife you and you had a gun. With bullets. You can kill them from any range and they have to be right next to you., the shotguns were all 1 or 2HK at short/medium range so no the guns werent that differentShotguns had different ranges, fire rates and damages., apart from the crap guns e.g. f2000 which no one used. The F2000 wasn't crap, it was a close range gun.

then go back to COD4 the m16 is almost 3burst version of the carbine The difference is maybe the higher damage and the fact that it's three burst?, the carbine was the same as the g36cM4 had higher fire rate and less recoil (evened out due to the fire rate), the ak47 is pretty similar, No it's not.  the ak74u is a SMG version of the ak47No it's not., m14 and g3 is the sameThe M14 does more damage than the G3 and has more recoil to compensate.

W@W: type 100, thomspon, are the same, SVT and ghewer are exactly the same apart one has noob tube, so W@W is probably the most diverse.... but it included the mp40 so everyone just used that. You serious? MW2 was. Coincidentally, it was most fun.

kcgwhiz wrote:

 

Is the Famas the new MP40? Yes

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

Ak74u with grip and raped fire pre patch was the new mp40. Famas is what it is, The easiest to use AR. Overpowered? Not really. It can be beaten you just need to be good with the gun you're using, if you are you won't even be noticing what others are using. Besides Famas is always good for getting challanges done quickly.

twa545 wrote:

 

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

Ak74u with grip and raped fire pre patch was the new mp40. Famas is what it is, The easiest to use AR. Overpowered? Not really. It can be beaten you just need to be good with the gun you're using, if you are you won't even be noticing what others are using. Besides Famas is always good for getting challanges done quickly.

The AK74u pre patch was more like the Thompson in recoil, fire rate, and stopping power. And more like the MP40 in popularity.

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

twa545 wrote:

 

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

Ak74u with grip and raped fire pre patch was the new mp40. Famas is what it is, The easiest to use AR. Overpowered? Not really. It can be beaten you just need to be good with the gun you're using, if you are you won't even be noticing what others are using. Besides Famas is always good for getting challanges done quickly.

The AK74u pre patch was more like the Thompson in recoil, fire rate, and stopping power. And more like the MP40 in popularity.

Yes well smgs should be good close range, better than ARs, what made the mp40, ump and pre patch ak74u OP is their range abilities they could compete with ars where other smgs failed. What do you mean stopping power? The damage? it is more similar to the mp40.

avfc94 wrote:

 

no, the famas overpoweredness is an exaggeration, sure its slightly more powerful than the other guns but if it wasnt, whats the point in having like 10 assault rifles if they all act exactly the same albeit that actually, to be honest, they do pretty much all act the same. The enfield, galil, ak47, commando, aug, ak74u, and famas...whats the difference?....not much, although people will make you believe the famas is more effective than an upgraded ray gun.

im not saying the famas is crap, it is the best gun, but not as overpowered as everyone thinks, most people will die alot of times to it because it is a popular gun, then just jump on the band-wagon shouting "its unfair its unfair"

the mp40 is totally different, an smg that kills in 2 shots at all ranges, can OHK with stopping power, 2/3 shot kill without stopping power, meaning it can be combined with juggernaut, plus with a huge magazine size so you can spray at 5 people and kill them without reloading, and it had a much longer continuous fire time than the light machine guns, whose function would be to give support fire.- note there were no assault rifles to counter this gun.

the mp40 is overpowered the famas is just better than other guns - theres a difference

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

What about Fire rate, range (drop off of power) and recoil, it's simply the 74u was more similar to the mp40. Both easy to use overpowered smgs with abilities to compete on range.

Or do you really think the Thompson was top dog at one point in waw like the mp40 still is and ak74u was in Black Ops.

Not_Haiepz wrote:

 

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

What about Fire rate, range (drop off of power) and recoil, it's simply the 74u was more similar to the mp40. Both easy to use overpowered smgs with abilities to compete on range.

Or do you really think the Thompson was top dog at one point in waw like the mp40 still is and ak74u was in Black Ops.

Bro.

AK74u = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

Mp40 = 2-4 shots, 535 RPM, moderate recoil
Thompson = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

Can you tell me which weapon is more similar to the 74u ?

SuddenDeth13 wrote:

 

So now you people whining about the Famas say its so overpowered that its game-breaking?
This is beyond sad now. I can not facepalm enough. People, its OVERUSED and the BEST gun. BEST does NOT equal OVERPOWERED. The Famas is so easy to beat its not even funny.

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

lol at moderate recoil.

Mp40 had way less recoil than the thompson, no doubt. It was easier to use and killed quicker. It's good on range too. It was and is OP. Just like the ak74u with grip and raped fire (made it kill instantly while the recoil remained low do to grip & raped fire combo). No doubt the MP40 and ak74u were similar as in game breaking OP. This is not even up for debate.

AK74u = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

Mp40 = 2-4 shots, 535 RPM, moderate recoil
Thompson = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

Not_Haiepz wrote:

 

SuddenDeth13 wrote:

 

So now you people whining about the Famas say its so overpowered that its game-breaking?
This is beyond sad now. I can not facepalm enough. People, its OVERUSED and the BEST gun. BEST does NOT equal OVERPOWERED. The Famas is so easy to beat its not even funny.

Explain us how it's not OP instead of being a mindless pion coming up with this same old "Overused but not OP" card.

twa545 wrote:

 

Opinion

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

I know enough to see that you're using game stats without even thinking about them. Nobody with any sense will think that the MP40 was not similar to the ak74u pre patch, thompson was just another gun, these two were not.

Fact

AK74u = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

Mp40 = 2-4 shots, 535 RPM, moderate recoil
Thompson = 3-5 shots, 750 RPM, low recoil

a gun is OP when it is unchallenged at every possiblily

Is exactly what OP means. The MP40 could be taken down by any of the other SMGs, because all the SMGs were just as good on W@W.
On BO the MP5 and Kiparis are WAY better than the AK74u. (opinion, but I know a lot of people would agree.)
@Snipingdbag
If you dispute that then it's obvious you just sucked at the game (one gun scrub).
Stay in your comfort zone.

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

CBQ I would rather use one of the other smgs, however overall I would rather use the ak74u, since it's still the better allrounder of the smgs. Better range and still an ass raper close up.

twa545 wrote:

 

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

CBQ I would rather use one of the other smgs, however overall I would rather use the ak74u, since it's still the better allrounder of the smgs. Better range and still an ass raper close up.

Stay in your comfort zone.

@Snipingdbag You've lost and have nothing left to use but opinion (anyone can do that).

BUT, If you want to continue this...whatever it is, listen to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFlVi9MHpDc
it's all about you and might pump you up for whatever "debate" you get yourself into next time.

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

twa545 wrote:

 

Snipingdbag wrote:

 

CBQ I would rather use one of the other smgs, however overall I would rather use the ak74u, since it's still the better allrounder of the smgs. Better range and still an ass raper close up.

Stay in your comfort zone.

@Snipingdbag You've lost and have nothing left to use but opinion (anyone can do that).

BUT, If you want to continue this...whatever it is, listen to this song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFlVi9MHpDc
it's all about you and might pump you up for whatever "debate" you get yourself into next time.

You seem to think every battle takes place cbq, nope. Recoil is less, bullets to kill less, damage drop off is less, on both the mp40 / ak74u pre patch. Both were similarly OP. The Thompson is just another gun. Just like the Spectre, good in their comfort zone, **** overall.

I’ll gladly go one on one. Any map you like. You can use the Thompson while I rock the “inferior” mp40 with jugg.

Stay in your comfort zone.

Stay in your comfort zone.

= Don't bother trying to use any other gun because you suckI

reallyocean wrote:

 

The amount of damage that the MP40 did on the consoles was 50-20, which means even with SP it couldn't OHKO close range with a headshot (50*1.4*1.4=98). Its damage though made it stronger than every other SMG and its huge clip as well as lower RoF and low recoil made it superb when it came to SMGs. Obviously overpowered when it comes to SMGs in that game.

Then came the UMP45 in MW2. This is the MP40 of MW2 because of exactly the same reasons the MP40 was overpowered in W@W. Its damage is 40-35, not 30-20 or even 40-30. This means that it has a higher damage at range, than assault rifles. That's right, this SMG has a higher max-range damage than the assault rifles (excluding the FAL of course. It was matched with the FAL's max-range damage). Let's compare for a moment:

W@W:

MP40: 50 - 20
Close range: 2HK
Close range w/ SP: 2HK
Long range: 4-5HK (Depending on a headshot)
Long range w/ SP: 3-4HK (Depending on a headshot)

Thompson: 40 - 20
Close range: 2-3HK (Depending on a headshot)
Close range w/ SP: 2HK
Long range: 4-5HK (Depending on a headshot)
Long range w/ SP: 3-4HK (Depending on a headshot)

The difference you can see here is close range.

Now for MW2:

UMP45: 40 - 35
Close range: 2-3HK (Depending on a headshot)
Close range w/ SP: 2HK
Long range: 3HK
Long range w/ SP: 2-3HK (Depending on a headshot)

Mini-Uzi: 30 - 20
Close range: 4-5HK (Depending on a headshot)
Close range w/ SP: 2-4HK (Depending on a headshot)
Long range: 4-5HK (Depending on a headshot)
Long range w/ SP: 3-4HK (Depending on a headshot)

The difference is easy to notice.

Even with Firetime differences between them I'm still pretty sure (if someone really wants to work out the math for each of the four categories for each of the four guns, go ahead. Firetime for each weapon: MP40: .112, Thompson: .08, UMP45: .095, Mini-Uzi: .0625) they don't matter.

However, due to the lack of SP in BO, firerates do matter when comparing the ARs at short or long ranges. Each of the categories people compare have 3-4HK weapons (40-30 vs 35-25) so technically a higher RoF matters, making the FAMAS and AUG "faster killers" than the Galil, AK47, and Commando, but only by some miniscule amount that is likely never to make a difference. The recoil of the FAMAS is also shared by the Galil and Enfield, making the Galil, IMO, the "best" AR at all distances, but only if you ignore that miniscule amount of time which will, again, hardly make a difference assuming you both start shooting at the same time and all of both of your shots hit. So if you are preparing for such an unlikely moment and don't care about medium range, use the FAMAS. However if you're willing to base your gun choice on events which are likely to happen, choose the Galil.

This is all assuming, of course, that you aren't willing to leave your safety zone.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Edit: Actually, I didn't consider headshots for the ARs in BO. The "Commando/AK47/Galil" group (40-30) has a chance to get a 2HK if both bullets are headshots, while the FAMAS/AUG/Enfield group (35-25) will require another shot to the head (3 shots) to get the headshot kill. So, another reason to use the "Commando/AK47/Galil" group.

Again, or, you could not choose a gun solely on its performance and take a step out of your safety zone, like 'good' players do.

I taunt you again with the "oooooooooooooo."