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  • vims1990 Master 7,495 posts since
    Aug 13, 2011
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    70. Jun 4, 2012 3:06 AM (in response to Lunartrick79)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    I'm going to provide two sides to the dashboarding controversy.

     

    Dashboarders suck, I mean you're having the best match until the host unplugs their network cable, presses the XBOX button on their controller & goes to dashboard in which all players apart from the host get's a lost on their record.

     

    I have my bad games & I have my good games however on my bad games, I'm normally there until the end or I leave the match.

     

    On the other side, hosting sucks. Trust me, I host approx 70% of matches in parties in which most of them become unplayable while some kid switching from a 2 - 3 bar connection on their wireless connection is instantly killing me or I'm shooting more than required to kill players.

     

    On the forums, I'm constantly asking the devs to stop punishing the host which may lessen the number of host dashboarders & possibly provide smooth & in-sync matches for players with decent connections. If you're playing off a unsecured wireless connection or your brother is using YouTube or torrenting, you should be the one lagging (terrible hit detection etc). This applied to both COD4 & MW2 & should apply to MW3

     

    Laggy players should not be rewarded or given an advantage.

     

    You may be asking why I don't rage quit/dashboard as host?

    The reason is  that I party up with decent players so I don't end up hosting a team of randies & I know I can depend on my teammates to assist me if I'm having a bad game. I can try to enjoy the game with friends.

     

    Another point I want to make is that "advanced" stats has negatively impacted the game in terms of quitters/dashboarders etc.

     

    I would like to see stats removed as well but unfortunately, this will never happen considering this is a part of the COD Elite service.

     

    I don't get angry at host dashboarders because I know how much hosting sucks. But I don't think players should be given a loss for the host leaving the game without a host migration.

  • Mxdpup Calculating status... 1 posts since
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    71. Jun 4, 2012 3:18 AM (in response to Lunartrick79)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    I get op's point, it always f*cking appens to me whenever I get a m.o.a.b then I am unable to go into my vault and record that sh*t

  • SkeletonBiscuit Calculating status... 1 posts since
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    72. Jun 4, 2012 3:57 AM (in response to Lunartrick79)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    I guess I'll be in the minority here. I have never once dashboarded under any circumstances. This is also coming from someone who pulls host 90-95% of the time since I have a good connection (65 down 15 up). I do put up with the bs instadeaths where my screen doesn't go red I just die, the enemy takes 3 shotgun shots to the face and kills me in what seems like 2 bullets. And ofcourse, there is always the dying around corners, killcams where I've sprayed entire clips at somebody and it doesn't look like I hit them at all while they seemingly kill me in 2 shots.

     

    Even with all that happening seemingly every game for me, I still don't dashboard, I just shake my head and say "oooh mw3, how I love you" and go about my gaming session. I learned awhile ago with all the issues in mw3 yhou can't take it seriously.

  • PeteyLew Expert 734 posts since
    Feb 5, 2012
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    73. Jun 4, 2012 5:39 AM (in response to BlksnshN)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    BlksnshN wrote:

     

     

    And,  why would anyone dash out of a BF3 game?  All of the stats still count, there is no point.

     

    I think we have a winner here!  If stats were accumulated in real-time instead of end of game... the incentive to dashboard for the VAST majority of people who do dashboard, would be gone...

     

    IMHO, it's 90% stat whores who dashboard, and 10% people quitting because of a shitty game.

     

    I can't tell you how many games of DZ I play where at least 2, and sometimes up to 5!, people dashboard when they lose.  Most of those guys were negative K/D in the game too.

     

    It's got to be about 80% of games played where at least one person dashboards before the game (and stats) "count".  Not to mention how many quit in game because they are going negative or losing badly, but that's another story/thread  all together.

     

     

    I think a penatly could very well be put in place to prevent this.  Or, take out the incentive as mentioned above... real-time stats.  Either would work.

  • PeteyLew Expert 734 posts since
    Feb 5, 2012
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    74. Jun 4, 2012 5:46 AM (in response to trialstardragon)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    trialstardragon wrote:

     

    Reach's 10 minute temp ban means nothing. You could easily waste that time getting something to drink, checking email, playing around in forge. So the ban really does nothing, nor did it really slow down or stop people from leaving games at all.

    okay, make it 30 minutes.  Not enough?  how 'bout an hour?

     

    Or.. .10 minutes for first violation in a week, 30 minutes second one, 1 hour, third time, 1 day fourth...

     

    It's all about the disincentive (a strong enough one) or an incentive (as in, count stats real-time).

  • PeteyLew Expert 734 posts since
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    75. Jun 4, 2012 5:48 AM (in response to UntouchableWolf)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    Just curious, do you back out or dashboard when you are cruising games to put video together?

     

    Most of the video commentators I see are serial quitters/dashboarders.

     

    I'm guessing more dashboard to preserve their stats so they can keep their (ill gotten) credibility with their viewing public.

  • PeteyLew Expert 734 posts since
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    76. Jun 4, 2012 5:52 AM (in response to WKMMS)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    WKMMS wrote:

     

    There are no legit stats in this game.  Either you pull host and find yourself on the wrong end of lagvantage, or you're not host and you're likely doing well at someone elses expense.  It's for that reason I don't see the point in dashboarding.  If I find myself in one of those games where it feels unplayable, I'll back out and let the host migration happen. But if someone dashboards, no big deal,  I'll just move on to the next game.

    I think in the end this is the right attitude.

     

    I've decided to only care about my stats in the context of improving them as evidence that I'm getting better/achieving something, and to compare to those on my friends list as we have a lot of fun/competition trying to stay ahead of someone or catch them on score, wins, kills, etc.

     

    Perhaps the only two valid uses of stats.

     

    In the end it's a little pathetic and sad for those who dashboard just before the end of the game.. it's like a whole generation can't seem to clue-in to the fact that means your efforts have no INTEGRITY, but that's probably a by-product of the "everybody gets a medal, there are no losers" culture that is wussifying this country.

  • PeteyLew Expert 734 posts since
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    77. Jun 4, 2012 5:55 AM (in response to Lunartrick79)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    I think it sucks if you get spawned into a losing game, but you know what?  See if you can turn the tide.  Sometimes you can (especially if you have 1-2 guys with you) and it's really rewarding.

     

    If not... work on some part of your game... drop shots, sniping, shot-gunning, whatever.  Consider if a few minutes of "practice". 

     

    Yeah, you'll take a loss, but so what?  Anybody with at least a decent amount of time in this game... that loss doesn't materially impact your W/L ratio.  1 loss out of, say, 3,000 games?

     

    Not noticeable. 

     

     

    Play it out and move on

  • DaRyuujin Apprentice 523 posts since
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    78. Jun 4, 2012 6:58 AM (in response to Jus_call_me_J)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

     

    So you refuse to pad your stats legitimately by playing an Infected for a free win, but you are happy to pad your stats illegitimately via the dashboard... That's not self serving double standards at all. Well done you are a  hypocrite...

     

    And FYI there are ways to adapt and preserve your stats legitimately when everyone on the enemy team seems to have a half second advantage. Go uber defensive or hide somewhere with very long sight lines for one. Grab a USAS if it's a small map for two...

     

    Can't really be bothered to go on because my advice is lost on you...

     

    Face it you are as fake as your stats...

     

    BTW, did you put your COD stats on your last job application or in the last love letter you wrote to a pretty girl?

    see here I am just stating my POV and you gotta start the insults? yea real mature way to get your point across let me tell you being a douche is DEFIANTLY the way to make people see your side =.= its people like you that help turn threads into flame wars

     

    you can call me fake if you want but i know how good i played MW2 and ik how good i play MW3 when I'm not lagging you dont know me so you cant just that about me, but in a way my stats ARE legit because if the match IS NOT LAGGING and im playing a LEGIT GAME then i will stay in wether im getting my ass kicked, the match is almost over and im thrown on the loosing team or what ever the ONLY time i dash is when i'm lagging because I'm playing with a severe handicap and thats far from a "legit game'

     

    and yes..let me grab a USAS when they are half a second ahead of me that way I can shoot at the corner they come around (but in reality shoot 3 feet to their left) get a hit marker at what looks like point blank (if im lucky to get a shot off) then instantly drop thats def a anti lag tatic.

     

    anybody who suffers from lag knows no change in game play is gonna matter because when the enemy is in a location DIFFERENT then what you see on your screen its pretty damn impossible to hit them unless they are running directly at you not trying to kill you So for you to be saying things like that show me your ignorant to how bad some people get lagged in this game

     

    but as far as talking about this with you, the fact that you started to throw out childish insults just shows the type of person you are and that YOU are the one who shouldn't be bothered with because you cant keep up a mature conversation with somebody whos views differ from yours

     

    now that im done with the person who insults somebody for no reason this is what I say to everybody else. If you dash EARLY in the game because you realize its a game where your gonna be a half of second behind (which is what I do) then your NOT padding your stats your just not having a laggy game go on your record because you know no matter WHAT tatic you use your gonna be ******. BUT if you wait untill the end of the game to dash then your most likely padding your stats or just hoping your host to **** everybody else over.

  • Jus_call_me_J Master 2,464 posts since
    Oct 20, 2011
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    79. Jun 4, 2012 9:29 AM (in response to DaRyuujin)
    Re: Done with the DASHBOARDING!

    DaRyuujin wrote:

     

     

    So you refuse to pad your stats legitimately by playing an Infected for a free win, but you are happy to pad your stats illegitimately via the dashboard... That's not self serving double standards at all. Well done you are a  hypocrite...

     

    And FYI there are ways to adapt and preserve your stats legitimately when everyone on the enemy team seems to have a half second advantage. Go uber defensive or hide somewhere with very long sight lines for one. Grab a USAS if it's a small map for two...

     

    Can't really be bothered to go on because my advice is lost on you...

     

    Face it you are as fake as your stats...

     

    BTW, did you put your COD stats on your last job application or in the last love letter you wrote to a pretty girl?

    see here I am just stating my POV and you gotta start the insults? yea real mature way to get your point across let me tell you being a douche is DEFIANTLY the way to make people see your side =.= its people like you that help turn threads into flame wars

     

    you can call me fake if you want but i know how good i played MW2 and ik how good i play MW3 when I'm not lagging you dont know me so you cant just that about me, but in a way my stats ARE legit because if the match IS NOT LAGGING and im playing a LEGIT GAME then i will stay in wether im getting my ass kicked, the match is almost over and im thrown on the loosing team or what ever the ONLY time i dash is when i'm lagging because I'm playing with a severe handicap and thats far from a "legit game'

     

    and yes..let me grab a USAS when they are half a second ahead of me that way I can shoot at the corner they come around (but in reality shoot 3 feet to their left) get a hit marker at what looks like point blank (if im lucky to get a shot off) then instantly drop thats def a anti lag tatic.

     

    anybody who suffers from lag knows no change in game play is gonna matter because when the enemy is in a location DIFFERENT then what you see on your screen its pretty damn impossible to hit them unless they are running directly at you not trying to kill you So for you to be saying things like that show me your ignorant to how bad some people get lagged in this game

     

    but as far as talking about this with you, the fact that you started to throw out childish insults just shows the type of person you are and that YOU are the one who shouldn't be bothered with because you cant keep up a mature conversation with somebody whos views differ from yours

     

    now that im done with the person who insults somebody for no reason this is what I say to everybody else. If you dash EARLY in the game because you realize its a game where your gonna be a half of second behind (which is what I do) then your NOT padding your stats your just not having a laggy game go on your record because you know no matter WHAT tatic you use your gonna be ******. BUT if you wait untill the end of the game to dash then your most likely padding your stats or just hoping your host to **** everybody else over.

    Sorry if you feel insulted...

     

    Didn't mean to insult you when I pointed out that your dashboarding practices are perfectly hypocritical...

     

    So is complaining that I insulted you in the same paragraph you called me a douche... (pretty sure douche is an insult)

     

    Bet you don't dash out of lagggy games that are going your way do you?

     

    And FYI Dashboarding when you are losing isn't really the "mature" thing to do...

     

    Sorry to inform you of this, but your stats are DEFINITELY (not DEFIANTLY) fake...

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