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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:00 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Yes the spawn system of the entire time need a fix. Spawn trapping should not be possible ever in any game mode for any reason ever.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:13 PM (in response to trialstardragon)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Well said if you wanna spawn camp and spawn trap go to Battlefield 3 where it's actually a challenge to spawn camp or spawn trap.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:19 PM (in response to trialstardragon)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I hate agreeing with this guy, but he is 100% right on this subject.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:23 PM (in response to Missing Snorlax)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
LOL, it happens to everyone eventually. This old DragonTroll does know a few things.

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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:24 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Dom spawns are garbage. They can have two flag and they spawn on our home flag. It FFA revenge spawns. I kill a guy and he spawns on my back. My team has two flags they spawn at a random flag. TOTAL trash i play Domination like 300+ hours. I hate DOME,Carbon,Mission, list goes on of crappy map spwans.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 7:14 PM (in response to codbig_boss)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
It should be random spawns it should not ever be controlled spawns on any game mode ever. Finally they are begining to understand this and change it.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:41 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
You saying that your tired of people complaining about spawn trapping/spawn camping is like boosters and hackers saying that their tired of people complaining about them.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 6:45 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
This guy has not idea what he is talking about. Any team can become spawn trapped no matter the skill. Hardhat have A flag B flag game over.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 7:16 PM (in response to codbig_boss)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Not true, played many games where one team had those two flags and then lost because the other team managed to get one of them back long enough to win.
So no that is not always the case in every match.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 7:06 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I have no issue with Spawn Trapping at all, it's part of the game IMO. WHat i do have a problem with is Spawn Killing. I haven't seen your vid, but I have seen vids on Youtube of a guy laying down with an LMG pointing at corner, not even far away from the corner. And the way him and his teammates have it set up, the enemy team keeps constantly spawning there and dying constantly as they spawn.
Regardless of how broken the spawn system is, that shouldn't be done IMO.
Spawn trapping, holding 2 dom flags and protecting the "exits" to the other 2 flags is a perfectly acceptable strategy that's been in every COD.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 7:13 PM (in response to supervelous)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
K just watched the vid after my prior comment. That takes no skill at all. How much skill does it take to shoot an LMG through a wall where the enemy is? All it takes is a team with map/spawn knowledge covering the guys back while he shoots in the same spot.
This is exactly what i was talking about above. Shame people do this and brag about it, this is the type of crap that ruins this community.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 8:17 PM (in response to supervelous)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Pls take the time to read the full coment before blaming us. I really hate campers and that's what they get for not capturing flags. When we play good team who actually try to captures flags, the spawn trap doesn't work out and the game is more fun that way!
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 9:14 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
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I really hate campers and that's what they get for not capturing flags. When we play good team who actually try to captures flags, the spawn trap doesn't work out and the game is more fun that way!
Wait a sec here. You really are making this wayyy to easy to poke holes in your 9 yr old logic. "thats what they egt for not capturing flags"? 40 seconds into the vid your buddy begins exploiting the spawn system. 40 seconds!!!! You are so pro that you can tell in 40 seconds if an entire team is campers huh? The community's definition of camping is sitting in the same spot ADSing. EXACTLY what your buddy did. He stood in one spot for almsot 5 minutes ADSing a wall and shooting (notice the spelling of shOOting, not shoTTing). So not only are you full of yourself and immature, you are a hypocrite.
Ohh and if you are crying so much about "noobs" and "lower level players" joining your lobby, why dont you leave a room full of noobs? You guys are so great that you should be able to recognize noobies (seeing as though you can tell if they are all campers in 40 seconds) in a lobby and know if its gonna be a blow out cuz you guys are so MLG right? So why not be the bigger man and leave? Ohh thats right, your parents have never instilled any sense of sportsmanship or gave you enough attention as its blatently obvious you are an ignorant starve for attention. Sad indeed.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 11:18 AM (in response to SalemInChains)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
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Wait a sec here. You really are making this wayyy to easy to poke holes in your 9 yr old logic. "thats what they egt for not capturing flags"? 40 seconds into the vid your buddy begins exploiting the spawn system. 40 seconds!!!! You are so pro that you can tell in 40 seconds if an entire team is campers huh? The community's definition of camping is sitting in the same spot ADSing. EXACTLY what your buddy did. He stood in one spot for almsot 5 minutes ADSing a wall and shooting (notice the spelling of shOOting, not shoTTing). So not only are you full of yourself and immature, you are a hypocrite.
Ohh and if you are crying so much about "noobs" and "lower level players" joining your lobby, why dont you leave a room full of noobs? You guys are so great that you should be able to recognize noobies (seeing as though you can tell if they are all campers in 40 seconds) in a lobby and know if its gonna be a blow out cuz you guys are so MLG right? So why not be the bigger man and leave? Ohh thats right, your parents have never instilled any sense of sportsmanship or gave you enough attention as its blatently obvious you are an ignorant starve for attention. Sad indeed.
I you are going to call me ignorant, please take your time to write proper English. You are just making look ignorant yourself.
I have to add that I don`t leave games because it gives me a lost. I wonder how many of you guys have 96 win percentage. And, I don`t leave lobbies because it takes forever to find one with a clan in it. Have you realized that the team in the opposite can leave the game at any time? There is nothing to force them to be there dying.
Most important, the video is in double speed. So, it`s about 1 minute and 20 seconds that it took us to push them back to their spawn. Doing in it in 40 seconds would've been more impressive.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:00 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
l2ipper wrote:
I (If) you are going to call me ignorant, please take your time to write (in) proper English. You are just making look ignorant yourself (terrible grammar, "yourself" should be in front of "look").
I have to add that I don`t leave games because it gives me a lost (loss). I wonder how many of you guys have 96 win percentage (win percentage of %96). And (you cant start sentences with "And"), I don`t leave lobbies because it takes forever to find one with a clan in it. Have you realized that the team in (on) the opposite (team) can leave the game at any time? There is nothing to force (forcing) them to be there dying.
There seeing as though you are so concerned about "proper English", I went ahead and fixed your post for you. Hypocrite.+
As for your embarrassing excuses, most people can see when a lobby full of noobs joins. Pros would LEAVE BEFORE THE GAME STARTS so they dont get a loss (or a lost in your case) but you guys are so pr0z, you already knew that and were playing dumb when you said that.
96%? WOW good for your pub stacking clan, nobody is impressed with your exploited stats. You have already shown us what it takes for your pub stars to win, standing in one spot for almost 10 minutes (you yourself said the vid was double time) firing away at a spot on a wall exploiting the spawn system.
Keep on replying, that hole you are digging just gets deeper and deeper and it makes your impending reset just that much sweeter.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 7:43 PM (in response to SalemInChains)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I didn't call you ignorant in the first place. By the way, English is my third language. My English knowlledge is limited, but good enough to realize how ignorant you are. Shame on you can't write you own language properly.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 8:23 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
After watching this video, how can you consider this fair to the opposing team?
This requires absolutely no skill at all.
I've already notified a few of the developers at IW about so thanks for uploading the video.

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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 8:33 PM (in response to vims1990)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I'm telling you guys, the only thing it would help to prevent this is to actually fix the matchmaking system. Beginners or players with low rank should not be allowed in our lobby. It'll be also great if we have more clan ops for every single mode. I'm tired of wating for clan ops for hardcore domination. I don't see why core clan ops are separated from harcore modes. Me and my team are thirsty for challenges.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 9:38 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
how does skill have anything to do with a guy shooting through a wall with an LMG. How does the quality of the players even matter besides the fact your team is too experienced and also you're full partied up, when you are again, shooting through a wall?
Also, something is a bit fishy about this video. You are saying the guys are "camping" instead of going for the objective, but he is shooting into the exact same spot and getting multi-kills over and over. It's quite obvious either 1. You're boosting with buddies, or my guess 2. He is aiming at the exact spawn point.
If guy were lets say spawning at C since you guys held A & B, they'd be spawning in that room, or down by the loading dock. they'd possibly be funneling into the room but not that fast or consistently (some would take different routes) to get that many kills that fast. And if they were just camping in the back room, he wouldn't be able to kill them that rapidly unless they were all lined up in one spot (how would he know exactly where in the room they were). Logic would say they would be in different spots in the room if they even kept going back there. If it's not boosting, they are spawning in the exact spot he's shooting. No opposing player skill could negate that besides not allowing themselves to get in position to begin with.
Regardless, you have been bashed a lot, your vid has mostly dislikes, and you've been reported to IW by countless people including myself. But you keep coming back with this skill crap so there's obviously no convincing you. So whatever, just know noone thinks this crap is skill except you and your buddies. Not saying you guys are bad at the game so don't challenge me like your so fond of doing.
You could be the best players in the world and be able to beat all of us, but that doesn't mean what you did in that vid is OK or takes any of that so called skill that you have.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 11:04 PM (in response to supervelous)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I've already point out that these trap only works with weak players. Because it is easy to get out of the trap with a few flashbangs or smokes grenades. Besides, whoever was getting out of the trap or spawned behind us was getting killed by me and my teamates. Even one of my other of my teamates got 1 moab in the same match. So once again, the problem is weak players and campers joining my games!
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 21, 2012 11:44 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
The problem isn't "weak players", the problem is a terrible spawn system. No player should consistently spawn in the line of fire of someone like in the video you posted. Infact, I disliked it specifically because the person sat there firing at the wall spawn-killing people.
That takes absolutely 0 skill to do. That's not even "spawn trapping", that's spawn killing. A spawn trap would be where you just push them into the spawn, and stop them from leaving the area. Big difference between that and what the guy in the video was doing.
What needs to happen is when 90% of the map is un-used and open, the spawns should flip after a certain amount of time. Either that, or institute some kind of spawn protection so that people can't sit there and trap them like that.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:19 AM (in response to kastro187420)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
LOL, something I sad way back in BO when the vids were going around showing off how 'so called skillz' that teams had doing this.
I hope IW looks at this and if they decide it is spawn killing, they reset and ban them all for doing it. Teach them maybe not to play so cheaply.
As you said there is a big difference between spawn trapping and spawn killing, and that was th latter imo.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:27 AM (in response to trialstardragon)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I don't know of I would ban/reset them, but I do hope something gets done about it. In Black Ops, Treyarch took out certain maps from the rotation of Demolition because of spawn killing. Havana, Firing Range, and Jungle were some of the easiest maps to do it on. I kind of wish Infinityward would do the same with Arkaden and Interchange. Those 2 maps, it's just way too easy to spawn trap and spawn kill.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:32 AM (in response to kastro187420)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Once again, the game let's you get out when you are dying consecutively and let you spawn behind enemy fire. In fact, there was only one guy shotting through the wall. The rest of us is watching his back and killing anyone who is spawning behind us. That why it was so important team work to acomplish this. It would've been imposible to get 5 moabs without support for all the members. Watch the video more carefully. Look how many uavs we called in, how many ballisstic vest we drop. Watch carefully how some of us were moving arround.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:37 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
None of that matters when you realize that someone was sitting there just shooting through the wall racking up kills as fast as people could respawn. That simply should not happen. The fact that it does indicates a broken spawn system.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 12:55 AM (in response to kastro187420)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Which is spawn killing and if I remember correctly can get them a rest and 48 hour ban for doing it; because it is a form of boosting or exploting the game mechanics.
Spawn killing is frowned upon by the majority of the community that tries to play at least some what honest and fair.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 1:00 AM (in response to trialstardragon)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I don't believe they've ever banned for that in the past however. In Black Ops, the "501 Kill" game that ended up with the players reset however was determined to have been boosted, which is where I think a lot of people started believing they'd be reset for doing so.
Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that it's exploiting a game mechanic, but I don't forsee them doing any kind of "action" on the accounts, not without at first giving everyone a warning to stop doing it first.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 1:20 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
You guys are getting out of the topic. You should be posting comments about weather the spawn system is broken or the matchmaking system should be improved.
I've started this discussion arguing that the real problem is the matchmmaking system. All the reasonig is there for you to read it carefully. So please read it CAREFULLY before you post. Then, you can post weather you agree or not.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 7:56 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
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You guys are getting out of the topic. You should be posting comments about weather the spawn system is broken or the matchmaking system should be improved.
I've started this discussion arguing that the real problem is the matchmmaking system. All the reasonig is there for you to read it carefully. So please read it CAREFULLY before you post. Then, you can post weather you agree or not.
why shouldn't they? you only made yet ANOTHER post to further try to legitimise the fact you are everything thats wrong with some parts of the cod community.
end of the day regardless of if the spawn system has issues you'r still a *expletive deleted* and your video just proves the fact
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 1:33 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Yeah... Stop telling me I'm cheap for spawn trapping and that I should be reset. Praise me, godammit.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 7:45 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I don't like spawn trapping, and it does need to be fixed.
What shouldn't happen, and what also doesn't take skill, is having someone spawn right behind me.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 7:47 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
There is only one thing i hate more then the spawns in mw3.. the lag compensation that ruins good players, by disadvantaging them by a good second in a gun fight to get them killed and not give them the kill, how it should be. People on youtube just completely abuse the lag compensation and get double or triple moabs just so they can get subscribers and get fame for it. I hate it because if less people were disadvantaged by the lag.. more people would be considered good, and less people would be going on 70+ gun streaks.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 8:05 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I'd done trying to reasoning with you guys. Thanks a lot whoever supported me.
It's seems that the only thing you are good is crying.You think that actually complaining is going to solve the problem. You negative attitude towards me is not going to stop me for playing. I don't activision is going to banned top players like me. Player that support the company buying elite. Player who spend their time on it. Player (in my case) who takes their time to teach newcomers how to win. Players that plant solutions to problems like this one rather than just cry about them.
If I am a shame to the COD comunity, I don't have words to describe what you are.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 8:02 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
l2ipper wrote:
I'd done trying to argue with you guys.
Thank goodness!! Hallelujah!!
l2ipper wrote:
You negative attitude towards me is going to stop me for playing.
We can only hope and pray!!
l2ipper wrote:
Player (in my case) who takes their time to teach newcomers how to win.
You mean how to cheat right?
Don't let the door hit you on the way out!!
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 8:06 PM (in response to jwaller123)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
I made some mistakes, lol. Read it again! Anyways goodbye!
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 22, 2012 8:57 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
What a lot of spawn killers/trappers/campers don't seem to realize is that according to Infinity Ward's security department, any form of spawn trapping and/or killing is completely against the rules for Modern Warfare 3, and is equally as punishable by a ban/stat reset as boosting, cheating, glitching, etc. So really, is that K/D worth getting your stats reset and getting banned? Cause if you get caught or reported for it, you won't have a K/D.
That being said, I personally HATE spawn trapping. I think it's a cheap-ass noob tactic that shows you have no skill. Ok, so you can sit in one spot and kill somebody as they walk out of a spawn. Good for you. Who can't? I don't camp, never have, never will. I run out and kill people, and I help with objectives, so to me, it's even more annoying when I get spawn trapped, because I'm not gonna just run out and die 50 times so my spawn area will change and I can cap a new flag or whatever, so I have to just sit in a corner and hide until the spawn trap is over. Extremely boring.
As far as the spawn system, it needs to be fixed, A LOT. I can't count how many times I've spawned on top of a player, killed them, died, re-spawned on top of the guy I killed, had him re-spawn on me, etc. Ever try the FFA Gunplay matches? WORST. SPAWN SYSTEM. EVER. I can honestly just stand in one spot and watch people spawn repeatedly out of thin air. It's ridiculous. What I find hilarious is that Infinity Ward has stated numerous times that in future updates(Which have already come and gone), they'd be updating and fixing the spawn system. So...where's that fix IW? Nothing's changed. Want proof that the spawn system is ****? Two perfect examples:
1- Go on Arkaden, Core Free-For-All. Go into the back room that has the stairs which lead to C Flag. Run back and forth between the bottom of the stairs(Where you can just barely see where the flag would go) and the top doorway(Where you can see the upper level of the mall). Repeat this process and see how many people repeatedly spawn around you.
2- Go to Dome, Core Free-For-All. Go into the loading dock(Back room of the house). Run between the back room and the front room repeatedly, and see how many people spawn directly in front of you.
The spawn system is in need of MAJOR repairs. It's more than broken. The only spawn system I've seen that's worse in any other Call of Duty game is, and flame me if you must, the spawning on Modern Warfare 2 for Free-For-All. I can stand in ONE spot on High Rise the entire game and go 30-5 because people just spawn in front of me out of thin air, worse than in MW3. I've had at least four people spawn in front of me at one time. The only games, so far, that I've seen have a good enough spawn system to not piss people off are Modern Warfare(The first one), Black Ops, and World at War.As far as lag compensation goes, I would **** bricks if they did work on that. I can't begin to explain how much I hate the lag. I'm tired of firing half a clip of a rapid fire MP7 into somebody with near perfect accuracy, getting only hit markers, and having them fire maybe three rounds into me and kill me. It's garbage.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2012 8:14 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
how do i report this to IW???
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2012 8:18 AM (in response to QwertyBoredom)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
If you had it happen in the game, report them for cheating or boosting or exploiting through the game after the match. Let IW's security team sort it out at that point.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 23, 2012 11:06 AM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
GO AFTER THE OBJECTIVE YOU CHEAP A-HOLES! Spawn trapping is NOT how you play objective games! Spawn trap in TDM all day long if you want to but spawn trapping in Domination is just KILL WHORING! Play the objective you frikkin noob! If you have ALL THREE FLAGS then kill as much as you want! But if you're just going to trap a team in a corner the entire time then YOU suck, why? Because its EASY to get LOTS of kills on the enemy team if you know exactly where they are spawning and when they CANT get out! Your MOABS are shameful and your tactics are cowardly! Be a man! CAPTURE ALL THREE FLAGS, then you can killwhore! Otherwise your're just exploiting the games spawn system which is unfair to the enemies.
Even when great players are being spawn trapped its nearly impossible for them to get out and thats because its a cheap exploit thats extremely easy to take advantage of.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2012 5:37 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Figure I would update this thread just in case not everyone saw the other one regarding this game, the LMG guy spawn killing was reset by the enforcement team. Here is the link to the other thread.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2012 6:21 PM (in response to opb81)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
This is just priceless.
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Currently Being ModeratedJun 26, 2012 7:49 PM (in response to l2ipper)Re: I'm tired of players who always cry about spawn trapping. Does the spawn system for domination need to be fixed?
Sometimes I play Domination and if Im against a good clan and playing solo I will occasionally get spawn trapped. Typically Ill fight my way out of the trap as these "elite clan members" camp in bushes and behind walls raining fire on my team. However if I cant get out after a few deaths then Ill stay put for a bit and make the enemies move in.. The kicker is when I kill them they call me a camper and say Im a p*ssy because I blew their head off with a KSG.
Then sometimes Im on the same team as the "elite clan" but Im the kinda guy who caps all three flags and holds all three flags. I want to win as fast as possible with the biggest stretch in score. I kill more than any of these "elite clan members" and also have the most caps and defends, all because they're trying to hard to hold two flags and trap the enemy at the third. These guys whine and complain to me all day long, I just tell them to get some skill.
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