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vincezero Novice 194 posts since
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Aug 20, 2012 7:41 AM

SNIPERS ARE NOT CAMPERS

Now I know this topic must have been discussed, killed, buried and dug up again but here goes. A guy is running around in Hardcore, he gets picked off by a sniper. Respawns, start running around again, gets picked off by the same sniper who is now in a different spot. Guy rage quits and sends a message calling the sniper a F*****G camper. The game has been out for 9 months, it's not the first FPS and it's not the first Call of Duty. Why do these people mix up the two?

  • Izjar11 Master 7,235 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 7:48 AM (in response to vincezero)
    Re: SNIPERS ARE NOT CAMPERS

    Why do these people mix up the two?

    Two reasons:

     

    1- Because they are morons

    2- Because they haven't realized how moronic they truly are and then realize holy moron batman "I'm a moron"

    • BanHaMMer Expert 2,243 posts since
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      Aug 20, 2012 8:51 AM (in response to Izjar11)
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      I don't know, I snipe and have a gold 50 Cal. I can't quick scope to save my ars, I just wish they would bring in some bigger maps where you can snipe and feel comfortable in game. MW2 had some great maps for true snipers as did COD4. These small lazy made made maps are clusterphucs and spawn traps waiting to happen!

  • rlbl Master 6,042 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 9:08 AM (in response to vincezero)
    Re: SNIPERS ARE NOT CAMPERS

    Here is twist on the "camping debate"

     

    yeah snipers are campers... but they are supposed to be. It can be the right play.

     

    Personally, I am not too concerned on the word "camper". To me it is: Are you playing smart and tactfully... or not?

     

    If I am defending an objective; sitting in the DZ; sitting in the HQ; or mowing down people who insist on all coming through the same lane on the map... am I camping?

     

    yes.. but it was the right play!

     

    If I am sitting far from an objective; held up in a corner ADSing a random spot or window, hoping that someone walks in front of my gun... am I camping?

     

    yes... but it is the wrong play!

     

    Are you seriously mad at someone camping, or are you more mad that they were playing in a way that does not help you or your team win. Are you really upset that the "camper" was holding down an area of the map, or more upset that you overlooked a corner because "who in their right mind would be there"?

     

    If the community wishes to define camping as the person doing the wrong play, fine... but I would not get so hung up on a word; I try and describe the bad play (and the frustration of getting beat by someone playing bad - lol)

    • TRU11 Apprentice 1,363 posts since
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      Aug 20, 2012 9:36 AM (in response to rlbl)
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      snipers are supposed to camp agreed.
      holding up a dom or HQ point is still with the intend to win a game.

       

      just radomly sitting in a spot where you know you got the enemey corned then well yeah people gonna get pissed.
      if you play dom long enough you will know the respond points and camping near those is kind of messed up lol.
      nothing is worse then respond and get killed right away.
      i hate guys the most who camp near a point but dont even borther to capture it lol.

       

      seriously those K/D freaks should stick to TDM and such.

      nothing to be proud if you got the most kills and least that but dont finish at the top and loose lol

    • phxs72 Master 3,646 posts since
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      Aug 20, 2012 9:50 AM (in response to rlbl)
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      I don't really have a problem with campers except when I'm running all over the map and can't find anybody to kill because 1/2 of the enemy team is hold up in some obscure corner of the map.  So me and the rest of my team are just splitting kills on the 2 or 3 guys bold enough to run around.  It makes for a long and boring match.  Granted, if I'd found the obscure corner that they were hiding in things would have likely turned out differently.  So I guess my real problem with some campers is that they make me work a lot harder trying to find them than I really want to have to do.  Generally after suffering through one of those matches, I just change lobbies and hope that the new lobby has players that are brave enough to come out and face me.

       

      Back on the sniper topic.  When I snipe, I'm definitely going to camp.  I'm not good enough to QS and besides snipers are supposed to find a good vantage point and hold it down.  So I don't have a problem with a sniper just being good at what they do.

      • rlbl Master 6,042 posts since
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        Aug 20, 2012 9:59 AM (in response to phxs72)
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        I hear ya mate...

         

        That is one of the main reasons why I refuse to play: SnD, HC TDM and even core TDM most of the time.

         

        In core TDM you will not often find a whole lobby of people hiding in corners, but it can happen.

         

        personal philosophy (not by any means factual): "If a team can sit on the other end of map with long range weapons, camp and win - I refuse to play said game mode."

         

        Hell I was invited to play a game of Kill Confirmed, and after going on a death streak I realized that every member of my team was not moving from their spawn and I was (for the most part) the only one dying.  I had a choice:

         

        - Keep going out and getting shot by 3 different directions

        - Staying in my spawn myself and admit defeat (you cannot win if you don't collect tags)

        - or, Leave

         

        needless to say I bailed.

        • TRU11 Apprentice 1,363 posts since
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          Aug 20, 2012 10:05 AM (in response to rlbl)
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          stick to domination and dropzone lol.
          hell i wonder why they took HQ fron HC.
          best mode ever.

          • rlbl Master 6,042 posts since
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            Aug 20, 2012 10:13 AM (in response to TRU11)
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            When my clan is on, we mostly play HC Domination (but lately we have gone back to HC HQ in BO)

             

            When I am solo, I do mostly play DZ because I can (not always do) win the game by myself (depending on the attitude of the other team: the game is filled with people trying to scope.... silly, but I win a lot)

    • WKMMS Expert 1,158 posts since
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      Aug 20, 2012 10:39 AM (in response to rlbl)
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      rlbl wrote:

       

      If I am defending an objective; sitting in the DZ; sitting in the HQ; or mowing down people who insist on all coming through the same lane on the map... am I camping?

       

      yes.. but it was the right play!

       

      If I am sitting far from an objective; held up in a corner ADSing a random spot or window, hoping that someone walks in front of my gun... am I camping?

       

      yes... but it is the wrong play!

       

      This is just absolutely right on the money and particularly applicable to objective game modes.  If a sniper kills me from the same spot as I make my way towards the same objective then he's not doing anything wrong - I am the one making the mistake by putting myself in the same situation knowing that I'm at a tactical disadvantage.  It is frustrating to be killed repeatedly in such a fashion and the easy thing is to focus the negativity on how the other person is playing when in actuality you need to look at what you are doing wrong and make an appropriate adjustment to your tactics. 

  • Moofda Novice 285 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 9:31 AM (in response to vincezero)
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    If you are doing real sniping, you should ofcourse but yourself in strategic positions where you can lay some rounds into the enemy while making yourself a hard target to counter.

     

    The only ones who complain about the "real" snipers are the angry mob of billy and the epic quick-scoping club.

  • ots_dj3nvy Apprentice 1,432 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 11:01 AM (in response to vincezero)
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    Lol the guy got out played plain simple. I would have used a noobtubing to hit the sniper in hardcore.

  • ghamorra Master 8,732 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 12:52 PM (in response to vincezero)
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    I love being called a camper while sniping. Makes me happy, especially when I earn the MVP accolade (most kills, least deaths). You can call me out all you want, I have proof that I was a much more active player than you were and still managed to do better, while using a sniper rifle

  • PressStartProds Newbie 13 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 2:17 PM (in response to vincezero)
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    i believe most of the complaints about snipers being campers is caused by the snipers that play objective gamemodes, but refuse to get on the objective because that would compromise the spot they are where they can get easy kills.  For instance, I was playing domination on Resistance and my team had the A and B flags.  The other team had a sniper up on the balcony that overlooks B and instead of ever trying to capture a flag; he just sat there hardscoping. 

  • jmymack Calculating status... 1 posts since
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    Aug 20, 2012 3:38 PM (in response to vincezero)
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    Some of my best friends are snipers, and "play the objectives" not a problem in my book! I have a problem with the sniper who is losing the game and is halfway across the map away from the flag/dropzone or objective.

    • BanHaMMer Expert 2,243 posts since
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      Aug 20, 2012 11:48 PM (in response to jmymack)
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      I have my Sniper set up with, slight of hand pro / over kill pro / marksman pro / efficiency - speed.

       

      I find it handy to have the gillie suit, but it does not stop me from having over 8000 KC - 4000 denies and in the top 100,000 players for Domination. Its all about Team work.

       

      PS; I can't Quick Scope to save my arss, as I said before. Hence Over kill pro

  • wridtrvlr Master 2,794 posts since
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    Aug 21, 2012 6:01 AM (in response to vincezero)
    Re: SNIPERS ARE NOT CAMPERS

    Snipers are SUPPOSED to camp.  The kids running around with .50 cals, quickscoping, are not really sniping.  They are using a large caliber weapon as an AR and abusing the system that the devs put in place. 

     

    I never snipe, funny I picked up a sniper rifle the other day and was pissed about it because I hate them, but didn't have any ammo left.  Got 2 OHK's in a row...that to me says there is something wrong with the system the devs had in place.  I know one was a good headshot, but the other was clearly off and it gave it to me!  Might have to start using them more often. 

  • WiseguyFTL Apprentice 494 posts since
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    Aug 21, 2012 6:57 AM (in response to vincezero)
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    People mix them up because campers, camping snipers and cheapscoping snipers are all equally sh""tty and annoying. Man how I hope they come out with a competitive playlist in mw3, and I hope it's going to be good in bo2. 

  • kellysa111 Novice 446 posts since
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    Aug 21, 2012 9:08 AM (in response to vincezero)
    Re: SNIPERS ARE NOT CAMPERS

    I don't get mad at snipers for camping. They're suppose to do it.

    I get mad at the quickscopers. But that's just me.

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