May 11, 2012 9:53 PM
Does Search and Destroy need special rules to accomodate the gamemode?
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I've recently overheard a few people say they feel some things should be changed specifically for S&D:
1. Split-screeners should be banned from the gamemode
2. Special set of Killstreaks that are designed for the low amount of possible kills
3. Removal\reduction of explosives given to players
4. Removal of certain perks (Recon, Blind-Eye, Assassin)
5. Removal of Deathstreaks
Again this is not my personal opinion but part of what I overheard being discussed in a pre-game lobby. This was an interesting conversation that brought up good points on both ends of the argument. What are you thoughts.
Search and Destroy should be a barebones type match. That's just my opinion. If they did that, I would definitely play it. I didn't enjoy search in MW2 either. I still play it on CoD 4 though.
Personally I feel that if you're going to make a gamemode like Search I do think there needs to be some special accommodations to it. I don't play the gamemode very much so I'm not the one to make that call. But I would find it more enjoyable if it had more Hardcore elements to it as well as other modifications
No, keep it how it is. As for the killstreaks, i can get pavelows in the game without using hardline. So it is possible to get higher killstreaks. Why would you rid Assassin. Assassin is pretty much needed for this game mode as you don't respawn after being killed, so you need to stay off radar at all cost. I agreewith deathstreaks though. Why be rewarded for failure.
I'm a millionaire that has 7 10/10 wives who cook and clean my mansion all day long.
No, it's most certainly the truth!
Assassin necessary? Nope. Stinger. All I need.
no keep it how it is , and to dylangrey , snd is one of the gamemodes tht probably ppl dont even need to run assassin at all , and by ur assumption tht assassin is needed i can tell ur just a bad player
I dont play snd but i see the point of assassin in snd, people using hardline on the opposition with support streaks, uav and counter uav as they are the lowest and easiest to get.
Id guess they get used alot, just a guess?
Ok for starters you spelt my name wrong. And are you sure you even know what S&D is, UAV's are getting thrown into the skys in this game mode, assassin helps keep you off the radar, there for out of site, giving you just as much control as the opposition. And who the **** are you to tell me I'm a bad player, I use assassin to rush them, staying off radar is key to rushing, if i was to run hardline and rush and a UAV come up, my whole game plan would be screwed. So i would shut your mouth before you started accusing me of being a bad player just for using assassin.
dylangray, I was just about to say the same thing. Perfect post. I agree with you 110%. I use assassin to rush them, and one uav screws your plan for the round. I use assassin for rushing. I like to flank, so I need to stay off the radar, portables, and heartbeats. That guy is a jerk to assume that you are a bad player.
Nothing is wrong with assassin and blind eye. I use them both and I never camp. Also one more thing: take ballistic vests out of hardcore snd or make them have a legitimate counter. If you want to see why, just check out several of the threads on them. I believe there are a couple of fantastic threads by Buckeye015. I agreed with those 100%.
@DYLANGRAY
He spelt your name wrong? OH DEAR. Spellcheck for you, man...
And let's do some grammar, since you wanna call someone out.
Ok,*** for starters you spelled*** my name wrong.(-and)*** Are you sure you even know what S&D is? (run-on sentence)*** UAV's are getting thrown into the sky*** in this game mode (unnecessary comma)*** and assassin keeps you off the radar, therefore*** out of sight (site? Really?)***, giving you just as much control of the opposition. (-and)*** Who the h*ll are you to tell me I'm a bad player. (run-on again...)*** I use assassin to rush them, staying off radar is key to rushing. (RUN-ON AGAIN!!!!)*** If I were*** to run hardline and rush with a UAV up (and a uav come up? Are you even trying to write properly?)***, my whole game plan would be screwed. (So, like and, is very unnecessary)*** If I were you***, I would shut my mouth before you started accusing me of being a bad player just for using assassin.
Geeze, that was a trek through some drudgery 9 year old essay for a D- english class assignment. Good going.
It should look more like this:
Ok, for starters you spelled my name wrong. Are you sure you even know what S&D is? UAV's are getting thrown into the sky in this game mode and assassin keeps you off the radar, therefore out of sight, giving you as much control as the opposition. Who the h*ll are you to tell me I'm a bad player? I use assassin to rush them. Staying off radar is key to rushing. If I were to use Hardline and rush with a UAV up, my whole game plan would be screwed. If I were you, I would shut my mouth before you start accusing me of being a bad player just for using assassin.
Also, btw dylangray... I rush with Hardline and win S&D 99% of the time. Sorry you have an obvious lack of talent in this game, and especially in the english section of life.
Later, brah.
thanks for taking time out of your day to correct my grammar. What a loser you must be. LOL suck it c-u-n-t...
No problem. Anything to help out a child so he gets that A+ he desperately needs for his next English assignment. Being a parent myself, I know that this is sometimes necessary.
Lemme know anytime, man. I'm at work doing nothing right now, anyway. ![]()
haha, to bad i don't go to school anymore. i finished 2 years ago. Why would i worry about making my sentences perfect, its a forum for **** sake.
Haha, too bad I don't go to school anymore. I finished two years ago. Why would I worry about making my sentence perfect? It's a forum for ****-sake. (This is also the corrected version of your statement.)
I'm sorry. I'm trying the best I can here. You need to try as well, or you're never going to improve that grammar. Don't let the world get you down, little man. Chin-up, and you'll get through the roughest of times. ![]()
Congrats on that GED, though. I'm sure your Mom was so proud she framed it above her couch in the living room while you sat next to her on CoD for the 8th consecutive hour.
Like I have 8 hours a day to spare. I've got my baby to look after, bills to pay, things to do.
Then I shall remain with my previous statement of 'Congrats on the GED'. You sure as sh*t didn't deny that one. Must've been a sophomore drop-out to get a job for unprotected premarital s*xual intercourse. I can understand the need for money, but a diploma is almost a necessity these days. Good luck to you though, man.
Im going to guess you are an American because I have no clue what a GED is. No I'm not a drop out. I completed all of my schooling up until year 12 and am now in University.
You said earlier "to bad i don't go to school anymore. i finished 2 years ago"... So which is it? I'm not sure you know what you're doing with your life.
My nationality doesn't matter. Grammar does. Especially in University. I hope your Prof gives your A+ paper a C for your writing skills.
Mr. please dylangay obviously doesn't take well to constructive criticism
I played it in MW2 and didn't like it because it seemed people went for the kills and not the bombs. I'm down for change.
Actually when I play, I always play the objective as that's the objective! duh. I've heard people say that they should take the bombs away and then I'm like "NO! THE GAMEMODE IS SEARCH AND DESTROY! I LOVE THE GAMEMODE FOR HOW IT IS!"
Every time I played it, the teams would always go for the kills and yell at the person going for the bomb. It was annoying.
I feel you pain. I can't tell you how many times I've planted the bomb damn near instantly because everyone immediately bolts out of the spawn looking for kills leaving the bomb sites unguardedly
1.) I can almost completely agree with the split-screener argument. It's an extreme advantage to be killed and know where the opposing team member(s) is.
2.) There will never be a change to killstreaks for any one certain game mode. That's just too much work for something they see that isn't broken. I can also understand the pain there, but it's too easy to get killstreaks in this game, as you can shoot down a UAV, plant the bomb, or diffuse the bomb, all to add killstreak points.
3.) Explosives are a problem in S&D? Last I checked, there's a perk for that...
4.) Remove my Recon pro/Hardline Pro and I would most definitely have a fit. It's one of the reasons in addition to rushing I get all my killstreaks. Soooo many Killstreaks awarded for assists... lol And I think if you took out Assassin, if you plant the bomb and are going 2v4 or something, it would be almost impossible to defend your plant. So that's also a no-go.
5.) Removal of Deathstreaks - That's the least problem in S&D. You get a deathstreak in Search, you NEED the help. lol I can definitely agree to take out deathstreaks from this game completely, though. No one needs multi-kills from running around trolling matches with Dead Mans Hand. That Sh*t is annoying.
Interesting topic, though.
I would have to say if anything, make killstreaks lower in Search, or yes, make it similar to Barebones. That would be plenty enough, but rather difficult.
MR_OnyYX_ wrote:
Interesting topic, though.
I would have to say if anything, make killstreaks lower in Search, or yes, make it similar to Barebones. That would be plenty enough, but rather difficult.
I would agree that the Killstreaks in S&D aren't much of an issue. One argument on them though is the extreme lack of offensive killstreaks. We all know how easy it is to shoot down an Attack Heli. So adjusting it so that you can earn one at, maybe, 5 points instead of 7 would make the game more intersting.
Obviously, dropping a Reaper or AC-130 down a few would be stupid because they're too offensive and harder to shoot down.
Exactly. Too bad the EMP is 18. It's annoying in other game modes, as it's spammed, but I don't think it'd be that bad in S&D with 8 kills with hardline, or something. Just small stuff like that, although I highly doubt it's doable.
ghamorra wrote:
I've recently overheard a few people say they feel some things should be changed specifically for S&D:
1. Split-screeners should be banned from the gamemode
2. Special set of Killstreaks that are designed for the low amount of possible kills
3. Removal\reduction of explosives given to players
4. Removal of certain perks (Recon, Blind-Eye, Assassin)
5. Removal of Deathstreaks
Again this is not my personal opinion but part of what I overheard being discussed in a pre-game lobby. This was an interesting conversation that brought up good points on both ends of the argument. What are you thoughts.
I feel as though the killstreaks are fine as they are except, they should make it so that Support isn't available in S&D. It makes it feel effortless to get yourself a UAV.
Leaving in Splitscreeners is a fine line but I would say the majority of people would agree that if your fellow (Split-Screen) player is still alive when you die then there is no killcam that shows up. This would help reduce the amount of "payback" splitscreener kills.
Deathstreaks although annoying in S&D should probably be left as is except with removal of perhaps Dead Mans Hand, Revenge & possibly Final Stand. All perks should remain and Assasin would not be as much of an issue if the support package was removed (or at least the support UAV)
As for explosives I feel as though they are fine as they have always been in the past for S&D.
ghamorra wrote:
I've recently overheard a few people say they feel some things should be changed specifically for S&D:
1. Split-screeners should be banned from the gamemode
2. Special set of Killstreaks that are designed for the low amount of possible kills
3. Removal\reduction of explosives given to players
4. Removal of certain perks (Recon, Blind-Eye, Assassin)
5. Removal of Deathstreaks
Again this is not my personal opinion but part of what I overheard being discussed in a pre-game lobby. This was an interesting conversation that brought up good points on both ends of the argument. What are you thoughts.
Yes. Players should be forced to start off with pistols and have to purchase weapons with cash earned from winning rounds/getting kills.
Oh wait... that's CounterStrike.
Where did the good shooters go?
I use assassin in S and D as a counter to UAV, but would agree with a barebones,no perks type match.
Get rid if split screeners, party chat (mosh pit) and noobs.
No perk no gun attachments and no explosives would be the way to go.
The only argument against explosives I see is people using launchers like a primary. Spamming them all over the place to get those 1 or 2 kills a match. It's just a cheap way to play and without respawns it makes it all the more of a dirty way to play.
Grenades are fine since you only get one and they don't refill. It's the launchers I see a problem with
Split screen needs to be eliminated from multiplayer completely. S&D is fine as it is. And if you're not using assassin, you're doing it wrong. UAV is only a tiny piece of the puzzle.
I do it wrong all the time with my hardline pro and win. Nothing like running around with either a riot shield and getting assists for killstreaks or Recon with Hardline pro and getting the same.
What does this mean? Pred Missiles every two rounds, usually. lol
You can get away without using assassin against probably 90% of the players in S&D. It's the the other 10% of S&D players you have to worry about. And if you don't have assassin against those hardcore S&D types, they will run you over.
I'm an S&D fanatic, and I build my loadouts to counter the other S&D fanatics. The casual S&D player aren't a concern.
I agree, the Recon Hardline combo is way more beneficial to a S&D player the Blind-Eye Assassin combo. If I see a player on a big killstreak (5-6) then I'll switch over to my stealth class, but most of the time I run Recon Hardline when playing S&D
This trend leads me to Killstreaks being rearranged a little (not much) so that they're utilized more. It's not uncommon to play a S&D match and only having a couple people manage to get a UAV. I'd like to see more airsupport used
No death streaks as you shouldn't be rewarded for being a dumbass.
I also say that everything else should stay the same and here's why...
If I'm a real soldier and I've been told to plant a bomb on a specific target then I'm going to take the tools for the job. I'm not gonna say "duuuuh, ima gonna plant ma bombs on the things I has to blows up, I'm not takin my grenadez in case i has to be killin somebooooodie"
I want grenades, I want Semtex I want claymores and bouncing bettys. I want to be able to call in a chopper if I can and when it's earned.
No maps though, I don't neeeeeeeed no stinkin maps.